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I'm sorry but this is kind of getting to be annoying, and i was wondering why one person is allowed a rule specifically for themselves in the face claim area, however its not really that i hate the fact that its there but, if you have 300+ face, claims from different anime regardless of if you will share them or not, that seems like its abusing the face claim system , as a whole, since its annoying to go through the list and see one person with 300anime characters even though they may have only say 20-40 characters themselves. So I'm not being rude but, this has been bugging me for a while yet, and just is confusing to me, as i get the rest of the face claim however, why is there a rule pertaining to one person, just so that they can amass face claims. I know that they will share them, however its the fact that we have to spend the extra time to then communicate with a person that's not on all the time and originally wasn't fc just for Faceclaiming or reserving for the characters your making? I mean it doesn't make sense to just fc something if you Think you might find use for it later on down the road, anyways that's just something that's been bothering me.
Betwix: The Moon Princess Experienced Member
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In my opinion? 300 face claims is a bit absurd and ridiculous. This takes away the amount of series that someone can take who is new to the site. All of this claim hoarding is getting fairly irritating and I believe some form of tax should be made on excessive claims. Did we not get on Kanda about claiming all of those Final Fantasy Claims some time ago? Why should this case be any different? I believe something should be done to ease this issue soon before the dam breaks.
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Cookies The Cookie
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Although i hardly voice my opinions much in these situations, but i can't help myself but to click reply and the send button.
But i do agree with Shizuo and Betwix, as i don't expect the faceclaim itself to be packed with hundreds of characters from different animes and claimed by one person only, and having to wait almost forever to wait for one person to get permission to share the faceclaims. Its a huge headache to scroll down to the list to be only seeing a single person claiming majority of the faceclaims that we actually need to use for our characters.
But to be honest, it is getting irritating for me as well, but don't feel offended in every way. All i think is that we should reinforce the rules to much stricter level.
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To Sum Things Up: It's Not Right At All To Me or Fair To Newcomers
To be honest, I never liked people who horded face claims. It takes away from those who are just starting out on the site, creates tension with members who have to communicate with the person who has a million claims and just seems like a pain to deal with. While I understand people like Aivee may have good intentions, the path to hell was filled with them. So I think something should be done about this by staff as I don't like it and it seems I'm not the only one on here who feels that way. Who really needs 300 face claims FOR ONE PERSON? That is just...too much.
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So let's see, I am a decent friend with the person in question..I can't honestly as anyone say I don't understand having alot of character ideas, but three hundred is quite a feat. I did not realize their were so many, however honestly I do not quite know what to say..Other then it's a large sum that I have not seen anything close to in my time. Well perhaps not true, some of the older members I know from my older sites had the habit of reserving like this..It's good to see a poll up about it, I will be watching this closely..
Now this doesn't look good, I am editing this after JJ had posted because now it's starting to look like this is a personal issue over another thing. I love Aivee to death, she is like a little sister. Now I acknowledge she has many FCs..but if this is just over that one Face Claim..I cannot agree with you..completely, it's something that people are Now I am changing my view on this topic, because of this is simply not the way to go about it. Aivee does have an impressive amount of Face Claims, but she is also very kind and willing to share them. Now..to be fair and honest I was going to let this all go and kind just be Kisuke..but..If this is all about the Face you want for Arabella..which if I am mistaken sorry, but like I said for till later notice...I am going to have to agree with JJ and Frost..
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300 face claims is a bit absurd and ridiculous. This takes away the amount of series that someone can take who is new to the site.
To lay the facts out on the table
- Yes, Aivee has a lot of faceclaims. You know who else has a lot of faceclaims? Me. I currently possess 108 face claims. And I know that there were others with absolutely ludicrous amounts of them in the past. So this is not an isolated incident, and if treated as such then I'm afraid it looks very unprofessional.
- Aivee has done EVERYTHING IN HER POWER, EVERY. SINGLE. THING. To be able to work with this. Everything. When I say everything, I mean creating a system so that other people can get the faceclaims she already has typically without anything in return or extensive questions asked. I rarely see anyone else doing this for their characters; hell, it took me 1-2 HOURS of talking it over with Crow before I shared Ragna, who is one of Justin's Sub-tier important face claims. Aivee's face claims are NOT sealed away in a vault where no one can touch, and it is outright ignorance to believe that she does so.
I'll make the above point big because it seems to get ignored so very, very often.
- Finally, you can say what you will about the special rule, but considering how that rule was made with the intent to prevent negative feelings, it sounds more like we should replicate that rule to everyone. Keeping negativity down is always a good thing, isn't it?Then there'd never be problems with sharing their face claims and the group would be more understanding of how a person can feel when they have to give up claims like that.
I have seen this argument for two years. Two. F#cking. Years. And you know what? All I ever see are people who didn't even talk to her about it before they suddenly go off and create gigantic problems which serve no purpose but to stress people out. They by and large could have been solved by a simple talk with the holder of the face claim.
The other thing that seems to be so forgotten is that each one of those face claims, that are fully claimed, HAS an owner. An actual honest-to-god, approved by staff, application for them. How is that any different than anyone else's character? Just because she does it on a higher volume, does that mean that people should keep generating negativity towards them because they happen to do something more than us? Especially when the person has done everything in their power to make the system work and keep people happy? That just seems s#itty as hell - especially when others don't even make an effort to make it work but go and complain to other people and cause even more negativity. Nice job.
P.S. Shizou. I'll bet you didn't even talk with her about this before you started this thread.
Alright, after getting multiple people hounding me about this issue and seeing all the feedback here, I figure it's time to drop my feedback on this whole little issue.
The primary issue seems to be that Aivee, obviously, has a shitload of face claims for a shitload of characters. I ain't a fan of this shit myself, but as long as she is willing to give-up or share certain claims, I won't care as much. That means if this isn't made obvious, SHE NEEDS TO PUT IT IN BOLD RED PRINT THAT SHE WILL HAVE TO GIVE UP OR SHARE CERTAIN FACECLAIMS OUTSIDE OF HER MAINS SO NO ONE CAN MISS THIS FUCKING FACT! In fact, I believe this is kind of funny because she should know how I feel about this whole 0 tier business in the staff eting the other day when people don't read stuff.
Furthermore, when I first made this site, I never really thought someone would make 100 characters, so I may have to make adjustments to the rules in the future if this keeps becoming a rising topic on the site. I still don't believe you can actively role play one hundred characters, as I tried that myself on US1, but more power to ya if you can. However, if it begins to take it's toll on the community, then you'll need to be flexible to otherwise accommodate yourself to the site's needs.
And, for the community itself, I believe you should learn to read the fine-print on the site as well. There IS a rule stating she has to share some face claims. I've had this issue on the site before where people just don't read important shit and then make threads like this that lead to stupid drama-filled events on the site. I think we'll just need to highlight every major rule on the site at this point.
I also believe I may increase the ticket price for reserves, and after reaching a certain point, I may discuss with staff imposing a rule to limit how many face claims you can do at one time before you finish a character. This is to prevent future mass-hoarding and deter people from doing stuff like this in the future. I understand making long-off projects, I have them myself, but when ya get dozens of 'em ya gotta make 'dem decisions. Fuck, really, we might just need to have a round-table discussion about face claims to be even more truthfully and real with ya.
Anywho, that's how I feel about this whole mess. nI just think Aiv should slow down on the character roll for now and stop having five face claims for each character myself; as that heads up when you have so many characters and is a bit troublesome for other members when they want to claim something, but have to go through you in order to get it. And clearly, on the flip side, y'all nigga's don't read shit on the site at times. All in all, we'll figure out something to make everyone happy.
In the meantime, I'd like for this to remain civil and if it gets unrest, I'll be handing out my own forms of discipline for others who try to create a shitstorm or over-react to this.
And I also voted, in the end, this did not bother me as long as people do their fucking job and maintain it.
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I'd say JJ's post seemed a bit aggressive, so I'm gonna take a calmer approach. Guys, listen, this same conversation has been going on for a long time, and has been repeated a multitude of times. You guys complaining now isn't anything new. Do any of you actually think this hasn't been dealt with in the past? If it hadn't been, there wouldn't be any rules regarding it, which brings me to another point: You're just looking at the number and ignoring everything else. You're ignoring the number of shares Aivee has, and the number of FC's given away from her. You're ignoring the rules out into place, and you're ignoring past instructions given to her by the staff. You're getting all riled up about something that has been dealt with repeatedly already, so I sincerely recommend putting your time into something else at this point. Especially you Shizuo. Everyone is tired of having the same conversation over and over again.
Chao Queen Of The Sands
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I'm just going to put my two cents into the pile but, I personally don't like FC hoarding but because of the way Aiv has dealt with it, I'm not angry and mad about it. She shares them freely which is a definite good thing. However what we also know is that people don't always want to share. For example, like hell would I want to share Vergil or Koakuma.
It just differs per person in my opinion :3 Even though it bugs me, it doesn't bug me to the point where i'll throw up my arms and give up over it like some people have. After all, iv'e had some conversations where people have had issues with it and find the entire idea ridiculous. But Aiv is a good girl and she has proven that she will share when asked politely.
The question is, do you want to keep the claim yourself or are you going to have to be stuck sharing your favourite claim with someone else? We can't all like the same things now can we? #sarcasm
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Okay I'm stepping in as well since I've been reading, and I will probably be very honest, Aggressive and probably as soft as I can be, but I will warn you now, If this spills into a siding thing I will punch you in your shit.
Aivee has well over a hundred plus characters, and typical Caracter takes around.. 2-4 FC's, so if she just made like.. 50 CHaracters she'd have around 100-200 FC's and Some of her FC's Don't even have pictures to signify them. Continuing on, if anyone had taken the time to PC, SKype PM, XAT or even talk in her PAGE ME you'd know she'd share unless it's like Emma AI, and Noel Vermillion etc. Continuing on, I'm annoyed reading this why? Because more than likely people who don't ask Aivee usually do bullshit like this.
Okay Blank to talk about new members? Aivee is the kind of normally so squishy she'll share unless it's like a MAIN where she won't as much because it's main. Also to continue JJ has a large amount of FC's and not one FUCK has been given because everyone focuses on a "sore spot" Furthermore, she's more than likely to EVEN help them find a similar looking FC so that they can have that look that they want. I think she's doing more than freaking enough to bend to your guys' wills I mean what does she have to do? Kill off all of her characters that she doesn't use a main so that you guys can be jerking off and flake in the corner because she takes the time to Actually fucking think about you guys when she made her FC listing she said more than likely she'd Share unless it's a main.
Also, if it disconcerts you that much, There's a much better way to deal with this than just throwing a bitchfit, Okay now That I'm more than annoyed and have sullen myself with this issue, let's go on the root issue. Shizuo has a character denied because it looks like Aivee's character, one I believe that's claimed is on her 3-1 Shadowfall member, okay. I learned about this and Crow has asked him to talk and he hasn't? So what the fuck does that say? He runs away from conflict or may be even just not realizing that maybe if he took two fucking seconds to look at the FC list and or even shot a message to aivee this whole thread could of been circumvented, but no we are here sitting here like a bunch of fucking chickens with our heads chopped off.
I swear if I ever see something like this Again... I think I will nuke the thread worse than Frost almost did to this site. Honestly, it's called ASK, CALL ON AN ADVISOR OR MOD, HELL JUST ASK AIVEE HERSELF I SWEAR YOU GUYS MAKE MORE ISSUES THAN NECESSARY. I mean do you people realize how long it took her to make most of the characters? Weeks to Months. So people where is the real issue? The issue is that people don't fucking READ, or bother to talk to people when it's a FC's in question. You guys keep talking like she's the only person. Agito had a lot, Tsubine... oh how you people forget the past. HE had a million. Okay so what's the issue here?
People please JUST FUCKING TALK TO EACH OTHER INSTEAD of sitting on your asses and complaining when people will more than likely share, give up, or even help you Find an alternate FC that looks similar to this... My Fucking God People.